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#73630 - 02/27/17 10:08 AM Advanced Quantum Controller
hn7609 Offline
JunkieJunior

Registered: 01/14/12
Posts: 20
Loc: Virginia
Hi Mark
I am currently in a q6 edge for the last 4 years with no complaints. I am stricken with ALS and at this point I have no use of anything. For the last 2 years I have been in the chair 24/7 remaining comfortable by altering the seating position using the tilt and recline. Now that I can no longer use the joystick I have trouble getting the seat position just right throughout the day and night. My caregivers try but have trouble following my directions to get everything adjusted just the way I want it, an inch here or there does make quite a difference.

I was curious to know if Quantum makes some sort of advanced controller that could interface via the Bluetooth or IR of my Tobii so that I could manipulate the seating position myself? I am not interested in driving the chair, just being able to control the seating. If this is not possible now is that something that the engineers are working towards?

thanks for any insight that you can provide.

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#73631 - 02/27/17 10:48 AM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
Mark E. Smith Offline

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Thank you for your note. Forgoing the tech side for a moment, as you describe, your condition has dramatically progressed over the past 4 years. The ideal is a visit to an ALS clinic/specialist every 3 months, so both your physical changes and changes in mobility needs are addressed. However, I recognize that life and life with ALS are complicated at best, if not overwhelming, and unfortunately access to proper healthcare and mobility services can be difficult for many reasons. If you're not currently working with an ALS clinic, it would be my privilege to help you find those resources, if you wish to give me a call or drop me an email.

Regarding electronics, that's the easy part. Our Q-Logic 3 Advanced Drive Controls are engineered toward the highest-end specialty control needs, Including Tobil eye tracking. Based on your description, you should certainly qualify for a high-end power chair, regardless of brand, that fully meets all of your need, from positioning to electronics.

Please let me know how I may help further. Best wishes.
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#73632 - 02/27/17 12:24 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: Mark E. Smith]
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JunkieJunior

Registered: 01/14/12
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Loc: Virginia
Thanks for the speedy reply Mark. I am currently with the ALS Clinic at UVA. I was there just last month and asked about some type of advanced controller for my chair but they didn't know anything about them. Now I at least have the product name for my next visit. Just to be clear though do I need a whole new chair or can the Q Logic 3 be used with my existing Q6 edge.? Not sure if insurance would spring for a whole new chair.

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#73633 - 02/27/17 02:08 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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I don't believe in getting new chairs unless we really need them.

Based on what you describe, it certainly sounds like you need one and would qualify for a new chair, rightfully so based on your changes in condition and mobility needs. Technology has improved in the 4-years since you received your chair, and advancements in seating and electronics could increase your health, independence and quality of life. For those reasons, I suggest pursuing a new chair.

I don't know what insurance you have, but Medicare is revamping its process to streamline approval for Group-3 power chairs with single or multiple power seating features, starting with 4 states in March, then nationwide in July. In that process, there's an expedited approval for such conditions as ALS, so obtaining a new chair in a situation such as yours isn't as daunting as it once was.

Please let me know if I can help further. Thank you.
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#73711 - 03/11/17 11:38 AM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: Mark E. Smith]
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JunkieJunior

Registered: 01/14/12
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I just watched the video of the guy driving a q6 equipped with the Q Logic 3 and an eyetech system and it was impressive. Just to be sure I need you to clarify for me that my tobii i15+ paired with the Q Logic3 would at the very least allow me to adjust the tilt and recline of the chair. I realize that driving would require additional software and whatever else.

Thanks Mark

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#73712 - 03/11/17 03:11 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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Unfortunately, the power seating module is a component that will not interface with the Tobil.
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#73713 - 03/11/17 07:54 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: Mark E. Smith]
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JunkieJunior

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Well that blows.... Sounds like the Q Logic3 would offer no benefit to me. Thanks for your reply, now I can see no purpose for a new chair and upgraded controls.

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#73714 - 03/11/17 10:22 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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I suggest you check with Tobil and see if they know of any brand seating module that they can interface with. Thank you.
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#73717 - 03/12/17 04:57 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: Mark E. Smith]
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JunkieJunior

Registered: 01/14/12
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Loc: Virginia
thanks Mark I'll give it a try

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#73723 - 03/14/17 03:55 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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JunkieJunior

Registered: 01/14/12
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Loc: Virginia
The good folks at tobii just gave me the brush off and were no help. I don't know why I thought it would be possible to control the seating module with an eye gaze device. Perhaps that is something that will be possible for future generations.

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#73724 - 03/14/17 05:30 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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Don't give up on this, hn. If we can speak into our smart phones and get it to write a letter, set an alarm, add something to calendar...likewise speak to Alexis and have power turned on, etc...there must be some kind of modual, pad or something that will make that connection with your eyes. I'll do some searching...hope you will too.

Mark? Any ideas on something on the market like this?

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#73725 - 03/14/17 06:00 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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hn...would it be easier for you to maneuver your joy stick for positioning only, by having it rest against your leg or belly instead of up on the arm? That way just the slightest move of your hand might work...or do you have spasms?

If you should decide to get another chair, please look into one with the lift which will raise you to eye level. Makes it so much easier for doctor/dentist appointments, getting into bed, and if sitting erect, to speak to others without straining your voice as your face is close to theirs. Carers love it too.

I have a few friends with als..( I have ms) so will check to see if they have any ideas.

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#73726 - 03/14/17 09:00 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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Sometimes in complex rehab, a "no" can mean we haven't developed it, especially among totally unrelated companies. Please let me speak with engineering on both Quantum and Tobil ends to better understand limitations -- and possibilities. Thank you for your understanding.
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#73743 - 03/20/17 12:19 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: Jstlookn]
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JunkieJunior

Registered: 01/14/12
Posts: 20
Loc: Virginia
Thanks for taking an interest in this Jstlookn

thanks for your suggestions on a way to help with my controller woes. I have considered many of those suggestions but at this point I have reached potted plant status. The only ability I have left is to move my eyes, so the tobii is my do it all tool. I live in my chair 24/7 so the ability to change the tilt and recline is critical to my comfort, sometimes just a little change yields big results. I'll keep looking for an answer.

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#73744 - 03/20/17 03:15 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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I'm sorry, HN, I got sidetracked (health issues) and didn't go further but this morning I got a few hits from Google for you to take a look at:

-wheelchair-controlled-using-EYE-movements-Inventor-motor-neuron-disease-creates-tracking-device-help-disabled-around.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/2...ith-their-eyes/

https://hackaday.io/project/5426-eye-controlled-wheelchair-

NOTE..I cannot vouch for this second link as they want you to sign up, giving permission to access your friends, etc...

What I did here was type into Google, "How to use eyes to control joystick on wheelchair". There are more links, and I'm wondering if you have a helper who can look these things up for you or if you'd like me to do more research?

May I ask what your disability is? Sometimes specific disabilities have other members who are either using or working on finding a solution to this issue.

I have MS, know a few people with ALS so some have similar problems with mobility. Don't give up.


Edited by Jstlookn (03/20/17 03:22 PM)

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#73745 - 03/20/17 09:21 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: Jstlookn]
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JunkieJunior

Registered: 01/14/12
Posts: 20
Loc: Virginia
I am in year 6 of an als diagnosis, so as you can imagine there's not much left of me. I had seen the eyedriveomatic before and that is what prompted my question to mark. I have searched and found nothing commercially available and ready to go. It seems that many amateurs have built something that works but nothing for sale ready to go presently

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#73746 - 03/20/17 09:38 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
Jstlookn Offline
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I'll keep asking my friends if they know of anything new on the horizon. Surely others here will do the same. Hugs...

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#73757 - 03/21/17 09:53 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
Jstlookn Offline
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A friend suggested this site: http://www.numotion.com/assets/uploads/Alternative%20Drive%20Controls%201%20hr%2010_15.pdf

Way down at the bottom you'll find some eye movement info.

Mark has been pretty much snowed in up there in PA, then I believe the Abilities Expo is coming up either last weekend of next ?? so give him some time to check with the various companies to see what can be found. (still looking)

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#73758 - 03/21/17 10:05 PM Re: Advanced Quantum Controller [Re: hn7609]
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Loc: Oklahoma
I've been reading along, as I guess many have.
Just wanted to wish you "Good Luck!" on finding a solution.
"Best Wishes!"

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